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 | | Topic: | LAME!! GRAPEVINE REVIVAL DIES - READ PAZZAS VIEW HERE | | | THIS WAS POSTED ON THE NOW DEAD ESD FORUMS BY PAZZA/LSD THE ORIGINAL EDITOR OF GRAPEVINE
The Bastard Ginger-haired Stepson Is Dead, Yippee!
The bastard ginger-haired stepson is dead - Now lets give the memory of Grapevine what it deserves.
I was Pazza/LSD, a friend of mine posted “This Is All A Bit Lame Isnt It?”, then told me about it. Yes, he is an ex-LSD member and his wishes to remain anonymous should be respected.
So to begin with, how can I prove I am who I claim to be? Im told Monty Python is still about and as hes not so well known on the scene (sorry Alan :) ) heres some info scenewise probably only Monty Python would remember – MP lodged with me (although I dont recall any rent being paid lol) he had the front bedroom, I had the back bedroom, his dog was called Mima and his girlfriend at the time was called Lisa. He then got his own place with Lisa, and Echo/LSD lodged with them (ill leave the saga here...). My “location” on Skullbuggery BBS was “I Blow Goats” (a joke I decided to keep as it amused me) and we used to rag Fish/LSD as really being the wrestler Hulk Hogan :). I hope thats enough.
OK onto why im here - The original Grapevine achieved almost Legendary status in Amiga UK circles, but like all things it eventually died – here lets explore why it died? Because the world had changed, the Internet had become the WWW and disk magazines had became totally pointless, newsgroup access is available to all that want it, any clown can surf to a WWW page. So there was no longer a need for a diskmag from the days 2400 modems where still expensive and 14400 modem users where still elite.
Then a decade later some wannabees decide to resurrect Grapevine, possibly in the hope some of the original GV popularity will rub off on them. WRONG – IT DIDNT – GO AND ACHIEVE SOMETHING WITHOUT RIDING ON THE BACKS OF OTHERS! Calling yourselves a name that sounds like “LSD” and producing a disk magazine called Grapevine doesnt make you part of the scene. Why didnt ex-LSDers come forward? Why didnt ex-UK sceners come forward? Because some no-longer give a shit and because others feel they didnt want some nobodies trying to “be part of us” (I subscribe to somewhere between the two).
If you want to do something creative, then start your own group, which doesnt have the name especially created to be a corruption of another scene groups name. You want a magazine too? Then start one but dont call it Grapevine as you have no right to even hint your piece of shit has anything to do with the original Grapevine, because it doesnt. And while im at it, having members that have names like ex-LSDers it very VERY lame, theres a mention that your ECHO isnt the LSD Echo (now Spoonwizard) and surely the nick DAZZA is supposed to remind you of a Grapevine editor if you change one letter? Sad, Sad, Sad.
I recall some statement on here (or in the new GV) about Sir Garbage Truck being in touch with Shagratt and the Shagster is happy about the use of GVs name – A quick chat to Shagratt soon revealed hes never even heard of “Sir Garbage Truck, SGT, or Truck”, has never said he supports the new GV (cos he doesnt) and feels the same way about the use of the name GV as I do.
I am in touch with some ex-LSDers and I know of quite a few ex LSDers and UK sceners on irc in their own server, as we used to have also. We have deliberately kept away from the “new” GV, because we all believed if you all ignore a lamer he will go away, as will the new GV. And it has. Yippee!
And Nerve Axis wasnt an original UK Amiga group (mentioned in some forum on here earlier), they came to be around the time many original UK groups where already dying including LSD. Although they did provide a useful vessel for Maximan to empty his bag into, Mat may explain ;)
Now respect the name LSD and Grapevine, acknowledge the fact youll never be good enough to be part of it and go forth into the world and do your own thing, like we all have.
PS. I wont be replying to anything in this forum, this is my first, last and only post. My email address isnt real so dont bother – Why? Because im just not interested in looooosers. Respect to all ORIGINAL LSDers and GVers, your names have already become part of something thats a Legend, dont let some wannabee fucks drag you down.
“Grapevine - once a legend, then hi-jacked by lamers, now it can return to the status it had and we can remember it fondly once again.”
All spelling mistakes © Pazza/LSD
PPPPS – This is NOT for publication in anything ran by ELLESSDEE, or included in anything called GRAPEVINE, as I do not wish to be associated with wankers, Ive only posted on this forum because of the wonderful news that the abomination they dare to call Grapevine is finally dead after a pathetic three (count them) issues. It may be included in the Grapevine Mailing list if you REALY want to include it, I dont read that though, ive moved on. | | |
| | You should post this on pouet.net. | | |
| why bother?
the grapevine ressurection posse already stopped the ressurection anyways.
why kick the dead moose? it's already dead.
you'll just demotivate them to create a new group. or well, maybe not.
as long as they (old and new grapevine editors) get their asses to sundown2005 its all good ;) | | |
| | Hi, former sysop of Megalomania (LSD USHQ and eventually LSD WHQ when Skullbuggery went down). I contribued a few things to the Grapevine issues years ago (music soundtracks) and I agree that using the name isn't cool. Sorry to jump on here a year after the original post, but I was just trying to reconnect with some old friends that I haven't heard from in about 12-13 years. If any of you guys from LSD are out there and remember Rad! please give me a shout. I'm still rocking the tunes. | | |
| DUDE!
Yes, Mub and I remember ya, shit, get ahold of us.
Shit. I'll get yer email or summat somehow and we'll get ahold of ya.
Shit. I need to read this more often (: | | |
| | the uk scene is a really big mess, isn't it? | | |
| they got an australian for most famous coder.
an american for most famous scener.
and a musician for most active coder.
yeh, they're pretty fucked up. | | |
| We own (:
Anyway, Pazza, if you happen to return and read this, I need any copies of LION or whatever that textbit you did in response to Darrol's crap. | | |
| I have talked to PaZZa about his post on the Ellessdee forum (as above). We would all like to make it clear that the only problems PaZZa (and other ex-LSDers) had with the "new" Grapevine was using our name - using another name for the magazine and we wouldnt have said a word, however it seems that the name was the most important factor to these wannabees, to give people the impression it was an official 100% ex-LSD/ex-GV sanctioned magazine, WHICH IT WASNT IN ANY WAY! Despite the fact Ellessdee had stated they would like some input from ex-LSD or ex-GV people, PaZZa and Shagratt had already came out against the idea of restarting GV well before their first issue was released, but Ellessdee ignored this and went ahead, probably in belief the name GRAPEVINE and its concept where in the public domain - WHICH IT WASNT AND NEVER WILL BE.
We all agree that using a LSD sound-alike name was the height of lameness. We made a name for ourselves through our own hard work, starting with nothing and creating what became almost a Legend in the UK. We did NOT hi-jack someone elses work and tried to continue it badly!
PaZZa has added - himself (main editor), Shagratt (the coder), Scud (part time co-editor) and other ex-GRAPEVINEers and ex-LSDers are AGAINST anyone ressurecting Grapevine again (nomatter who you think you are and what rights you believe you have and what arguments you come up with). Reguards to anyone still interested in GV, but the WWW replaced GV over a decade ago (with sites such as this one), with its accessability to all and information on any subject. If you want a good read, surf to www.google.co.uk and search for whatever you are interested in, I GUARANTEE its all been done before on the internet (if no luck try the newsgroups or the groups ran by sites such as Yahoo etc. failing that the internet is full of forums) and in the unlikely event it hasnt, then there is YOUR reason for having your own web page or blog! Please DONT assume because you once read the original GV, or contributed to it, or even once where an co-editor you have the right to restart it - BECAUSE YOU DONT!
Thanx to those friends who are "always lurking" and keep us informed of anything worth looking into.
A Last word from PaZZa - I truly hope I never have to emerge again to defend Grapevines memory, or even use the name "PaZZa" - Ive moved on, no-one can bring back the Amiga scene from the early 90s! Im now crawling back under the stone I came from.
Typed by an ex-LSD member after a further conversation with PaZZa, hes read this and is happy with its post.
Garbagetruck - The text magazine your thinking of was called ROAR (the lion you are probably thinking of was an ascii Lion PaZZa used as a logo), most people on the scene guessed it was by PaZZa - and of course it was - but it was nothing to do with LSD of course. I understand PaZZa has all copies somewhere still, ill do my best to snarf them, but dont hold your breath. | | |
| | yawn. as ps already pointed out, you're kicking a dead moose. that doesn't make you look smart. | | |
| | atleast it makes the rest of the scene know the project wasnt "authorized" to use the grapevine/lsd name as so often was mentioned by the current editors. | | |
| | true... though i would've guessed that was already common knowledge... | | |
| PaZZa (main editor of GV & LSD manager at the time of GV) and Shagratt (main coder of GV, plus coder of classics like "Jesus On Es" etc.) had already stated BEFORE the new GV #1 was released that they where both against the idea of them using the GV name, but ellessdee shouted them down, deciding that the name GRAPEVINE and its look and feel where public domain - and they never where. They and other ex-LSDers just want it clear to the scene it was not sanctioned or supported by ex-LSD and they sincerly hope that no-one else will try to revive GV again, like the Amiga, its dead FULL STOP. We all hope this episode in GVs "life" is now over for good.
I hear the Pendle Europa Amiga utility floppies arent produced anymore, maybe ellessdee could change their name to "Pindel Eroopa" and instead of being produced by Manny, Dazza could be Danny. Silly isnt it, but thats exactly what happened with GV! | | |
| | double, sorry [Post edited by havoc on Monday 18 April 2005 - 8:32] | | |
| | Well, Mub and I want copies. | | |
| Ok, I've been out of town for a few days and I've come back to find D-Man has posted this bullshit on at least 3 forums.
I will post a final word here and on Pouet then thats it.
Let me set the record straight once and for all!
The closure of Grapevine.NET/Ellesdee the FACTS
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1. The ESD site was closed by the admin (Zildjian) without any warning to the other members and he still isn't contactable. He obviously has his reasons but whatever the reason, it is NOT due to the fact that Pazza has shamed us into it! We don't give a shit what Pazza says anymore - or any ex LSD member for that matter.
Originally, most ex-LSD members either weren't bothered about us attempting a revival or were not contactable. Then just as we were about to fold the entire project, Pazza - Maxi etc. come out of hiding and start talking about this name stealing crap. TOO LITTLE TOO LATE BOYS - NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU OR YOUR VIEWS!
2. Trying to run a web based revival mag was beginning to become a chore and we were no longer willing to produce a mag which gained very little reward.
3. The Ellesdee guys want rid of the Grapevine and Ellesdee name and we are starting a whole NEW venture. The whole revival was meant as tribute NOT a blatent name steal, yet ex-LSDers and some sceners just cannot seem grasp this. Or is this just a lame attempt at trying to grab some limelight? I know which one I'd choose.
4. The accusation of me stealing the nick Dazza because it sounds like Pazza is also a complete load of horseshit! I was using this name DaZZaBoY before the original Grapevine/LSD was even a friggin' foetus!
5. Whatever your view on the revival thing, no one particularly cares anymore. We've moved on and we hope the ex LSDers can understand this and go back to whatever graveyard they came from!
6. Grapevine was and always will be something special, no-one can ever take that away from you. Why do you need to go over the same old tired rants. Get a grip and move on!
Finally, I'd like to thank everyone who was behind us at Grapevine.NET and supported our efforts and understood what we were about. Cheers.
To all those who knocked us and tried to destroy what little glimmers of positive vibe we had - FUCK YOU!
Let's end this here and now.
DaZZaBoY (ex-Ellesdee/GV.net editor) | | |
| i take it back, kick the moose, it's still alive and as blind as ever.
"oh look mom, i've stolen a car and detroyed it with a baseball bat in our backyard, fuckings to people who came around saying that breaking other peoples cars and polluting the neighourhood driveways with it's pieces is a bad thing! they are taking the joy out of our positive frustration outlet. we'll stop destroying cars, but only because we think its no fun anymore, not because you people dont approve!"[Post edited by psenough on Monday 25 April 2005 - 6:27] | | |
| @ps:
What the fuck you talking about fella?
So I'm being spanked for trying to get the facts straightened out? If you can't handle the truth, that's your look out! | | |
| | im talking about you beeing clueless to what on earth you ever did wrong to begin with. | | |
| | ps, you can't handle the truth!! | | |
| | the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me BASS | | |
| Beneath A Steel Sky ? ;)
PS: Are you the gfx-artist Havoc ? If so I met you and Easy a looong time ago in an Amiga lifetime ago :) | | |
| ellesdee and GV.net where fameseekrs.
nothing more - nothing less.
and the design of the webmag was crappy anyway.
-----------> f-u-c-k y-o-u
sincerely yours
docd/scoopex | | |
| Why thank you for tbe laughably outdated reply Professor Clueless.
FU | | |
| Dazzaboy, face it, you and your try hard crew tried to launch off this classic scene nostalgia, that you could only dream of contributing to like the LSD crew did.. . and even with that, it blew.
Go smoke a wang ya dickhead. Even us 'unknown' aussie sceners have some respect and do our own thing.
jesus on e's rules.
baldrick/jinx[Post edited by baldrick on Thursday 26 October 2006 - 9:54] | | |
| | Nope - never heard of ya! Bye now | | |
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